杜魯多接受明報專訪談政綱 講對華政策的3個C
【明報專訊】聯邦自由黨黨魁、現任總理昨日在多倫多繼續其競選活動，並接受本報專訪，談及大選政綱，其中包括了若自由黨當選，在對華政策上，將會以3個C為取向。他又批評聯邦保守黨的政綱削弱了槍械管制，不利治安；奧圖爾也不敢對黨內反科學、反疫苗者說：你錯了，每個人都應接種新冠疫苗。
談到大選中選民為什麼要選自由黨時，杜魯多說：聯邦自由黨有計劃、有能力、而且有強大的團隊，包括全國各地 9位華裔候選人，其中 6 人在大多區。當大家審視每個黨團領袖，就會看到自由黨更出色；聯邦自由黨的團隊對比起其他團隊也更強，後者根本沒有球場的板凳實力。以下是專訪的問答內容，並附英文原文記錄：
疫情邁向關鍵 國民要決定前路
問：有評論指我們不應該在新冠期間舉行大選。然而，美國總統大選也是在去年疫情下舉行。現在，兩者是否有相似之處？你對在疫情時期舉行選舉有何看法？
答：80% 的加拿大人做了正確的事，他們接種了疫苗。正因為他們做了正確的事情，我認為現在是恰當時間去決定前路一些重要議題。
不同政黨對加拿大應如何前進、如何終止疫情、如何重建有不同想法。終止疫情很重要，國民應參與選擇這個當下的決定，而非一年半載之後。這就是為何加拿大人應現在決策。
Q: There were a lot of comments that claimed we should not hold an election during a pandemic. However, the US successfully held their presidential election last year, Canada will have its Federal election in mid-September, are there parallels? What are your thoughts on holding an election at these testing times？
A:80% of Canadians have done the right thing, they've got themselves vaccinated. Because they have done the right thing, I think it is right that we check in at a time of some really big decisions.
As you can see, different parties have very different ideas on how we move forward, how we end the pandemic, and how we build back better. Canadians deserve to make that choice, because we know that ending this pandemic is incredibly important, and it happens now in the coming months, not a year from now or two years from now.
That's why Canadians should get to choose right now.
對強制接種 保守黨軟弱
問：您對最近的民意調查有何看法？
答：我認為這確實突出了今次選舉有得揀！大家正在尋找不同的方式，推動國家向前發展，這在民主制度下是健康的事情。
現在加拿大人正面臨關鍵的抉擇。
保守派說他們會將自由黨禁止的步槍解禁，他們將取消我們在全國簽署的每天 10 元托兒協議。我們知道影響甚大，這政策不僅有益於一般家庭，也有利於經濟增長，因為更多女性將能投入勞動市場。
他們甚至對疫苗的立場也軟弱。我們所有候選人都接種了疫苗，我說過搭飛機、火車的人及公僕都需強制接種疫苗。我們正在與各省合作制定疫
苗護照。(聯邦保守黨)奧圖爾不能肯定他的候選人有接種疫苗，沒有關於搭飛機和火車上應接種疫苗；這不是我們度過這場疫情的方式。如果我們不能度過這場疫情，就無法做大家想做的事情。
Q: What are your thoughts on the most recent poll？
A: I think it really highlights that there is a clear choice in this election. People are looking at different ways at moving a country forward and this is a healthy thing in a democracy.
The reality is those choices that Canadians are making couldn't be clear right now.
The Conservatives have said that they will bring back assault weapons that we banned, they are going to eliminate the $10 a day childcare agreement that we signed across the country and not sign anymore which we know will make a huge difference, not just for families but also for economic growth as well, because more women will be able to get into the workforce.
They are not even strong on vaccines.
All my candidates are vaccinated, I have said that we need to have mandatory vaccination on planes, trains and in the public services. We are working on vaccine passports with the provinces.
Erin O'Toole wouldn't even make sure his candidates are vaccinated, and there is nothing on people on planes and trains that should be vaccinated. That's not how we get through this pandemic.
If we don't get through this pandemic, we don't get to do the other things that I know people want to do once we get out of this.
反疫苗者一邊抗議醫護 中招後又接受醫護治療
問：你在競選期間遇到很多反疫苗示威者抗議，這是否表明聯邦政府的疫苗政策成功，迫使這些反疫苗者走極端路線抗議？如果他們騷擾接種疫苗的人，你會告訴他們什麼？
答：他們不但一直在騷擾有接種疫苗的人，也一直騷擾努力治療這些沒有接種疫苗、但身染新冠躺臥在深切治療部的醫護人員。
不幸的是，這裏有一小撮不相信科學、不相信保護其他加拿大人的邊緣人。
老實說，雖然保守黨希望尊重反疫苗者的選擇自由，但我的重點是尊重已接種疫苗的加拿大人想要恢復正常生活的選擇自由。後者不希望自己孩子因與反疫苗者同搭飛機，就要承受染疫風險。
如果閣下不想接種疫苗，那是個人選擇。但我們不會讓你登機或上火車，又或在聯邦政府部門工作。聯邦政府也開始與各省合作，發展疫苗護照，未接種疫苗的人將很難去餐廳、上健身房、入電影院。這就是度過難關必需的領導才能。
不幸的是，就像(聯邦保守黨)奧圖爾不敢面對槍械法一樣，他不敢向他黨內反科學、反疫苗者說：你錯了，每個人都應接種疫苗。
Q: You met a lot of anti-vaxxer protests during the campaign. Is this indicative of your government's success in vaccine policy, which forced these anti-vaxxers to take extreme routes to voice their messages? What would you tell them if they start to harass those that were vaccinated?
A: They have been harassing people that are vaccinated, they have been harassing healthcare workers who ironically are working incredibly hard to treat people who didn't get vaccinated who have COVID and in ICU. It is unfortunately a fringe population of people who don't believe in science, who don't believe in protecting other Canadians.
And quite frankly, while the Conservatives want to respect the freedom of choice for anti-vaxxers to not get vaccinated, my focus is on respecting your choice – Canadian's choice who want to get back to life, who chose to get vaccinated, who don't think their kids should be vulnerable if they are sitting in a plane across from an anti-vaxxer.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, that's your choice. But we are not going to let you on a plane, or train, or not able to work on the federal public service; and increasingly by working with the provinces on vaccine mandates and certification, people who aren't vaccinated will have a hard time going to restaurants, going to gym, and going to a movie theatre.
And that is the leadership we need to get through this.
Unfortunately, just like Erin O'Toole couldn't stand up to the gun law, he can't stand up to the anti-science, anti-vaxxer in his party and say, well no, everyone needs to get vaccinated.
加中關係3個C
問：如果你的政黨再次當選，中加關係會怎樣？
答：我們要明白中國是一個持續發展的大國，大家不能假裝它不存在。
在某些領域，我們必須與中國合作(cooperate)： 例如應對氣候變化，每個人都需參與其中。
在某些領域，我們必須與中國競爭(compete)：如經濟、投資、發展方面，我們實際上會這樣做。
在某些領域，我們必須質疑(challenge)中國：如人權、隨意拘留；確保他們盡快將康明凱與斯帕弗送回家仍是我們的首要任務。
我們應繼續在香港、南海、保護維吾爾人等議題上繼續發聲。無論中國政府如何認為我們無權發言，我們將繼續大聲而有力的發聲。國際社會和加拿大在這方面發揮顯著作用，我們將繼續明確表態。
Q: What will Sino-Canadian relationship be like if your party gets re-elected?
A: We will continue to understand that China is a growing power in the world, and you can't pretend it is not there. There are some areas that we are going to cooperate with China – fight with climate change for example, where everyone has to be part of it.
There are areas in which we are going to compete with China: on economics, on investment, on growth – we will actually do that.
But there are areas where we have to challenge China, on human rights, on arbitrary detention, making sure they are sending the Michaels home as soon as possible remains one of our top priorities.
We are going to be able to stand up against Hong Kong, on the South China Sea, on the protection of the Uyghurs.
We will continue to speak loudly and strongly no matter how much the Chinese government tells us that we shouldn't have an opinion on that.
The international community and Canada have a strong part of it, and we will continue to be very clear.
自由黨有九位華裔參選
問：對那些猶豫未決的選民，為何要選自由黨，為何要選杜魯多？
答：在疫情期間，我們是國民的後盾，透過小企業支持計劃、 CERB、投資支持反歧視活動，我們努力確保能與大家共度疫情時艱。現在我們必須做得更多，我們必須加緊對抗氣候變化，為更美好的未來創造良好的就業機會。我們必須支持年輕人，支持長者，繼續投資於這個國家的未來，而我們是唯一一個有踏實認真計劃的政黨。
保守黨推出政綱，但他們沒有計過數，競選承諾沒有對應的幣值數字，這代表他們不認真。
我們有計劃、有能力、而且有強大的團隊，包括全國各地 9位華裔候選人，其中 6 人在大多區，包括像伍鳳儀部長這樣的出色領袖，她幹得很好，日後也會繼續做下去。當大家審視每個黨團領袖，就會看到我們更出色；我們團隊比起其他團隊也更強，後者根本沒有比賽的板凳實力。
Q: To those who are undecided, why Liberal, why Trudeau?
A: We had people's back during the pandemic, we were there with small business support, we were there with the CERB, we were there with investments supporting people fighting anti-racism, doing the things to make sure we got through this pandemic.
And now we have to do even more, we have to step up the fight against climate change, realizing that’s how we are creating good jobs for a stronger future.
We have to support young people, support our seniors, we have to keep investing in the future of this country, and we are the only ones with real and serious plans to do that.
Conservatives put out their platform, but they didn't even cost it, there is no dollar figure to be associated with their promises. So they actually are not serious about their platform.
We are the ones with a plan and the ability to continue to deliver with a strong team, including 9 Chinese Canadian candidates across the country, 6 of whom are in the GTA, including extraordinary leaders like Minister Mary Ng, who has done a great job and will continue to.
When people look at the leader, they can see that we are stronger; but when people look at the team as well, you see our team and you don't actually see what the other team looks like, because they are not showing any strength in their bench.
